i agree with your principles, and i am pro franchising, but i am sure the likes of Fev Halifax would say they are better and stronger clubs than leigh and widnes and possible Hull kr, there is also no way they would kick Huddersfield out, and lets face it if Cas had not been good on the field for last 3-4 years they would be for the chop too, after all been relegated twice since 2014.

any more info, what was said

leneghan gave a presentation with a few ideas, no more than that. they all agreed to think about it and meet again but had a gentleman's agreement to keep quiet. next week leneghan has hijacked elstons press conference to announce what he intends to do.

there is no reason why semi closed shop franchised super league would not work pretty well, look at how well fev are doing as Leeds feeder club, fev doing well on and off the field, pretty sure Leeds are seeing them alright. fev still have long term ambition but they see having a close tie in with a super league club like Leeds as a benefit to there long term plans.

Interesting point - How would you suggest Fev & Fax bring more then KR?



Average attendance - Nope

Commercial revenue - Nope

Success in the last 10 years ( play offs and finals) - Nope

The opportunity for regular 10,000 plus crowds - hmmm probably not.

Highest engagement on social media across all sports - KR at number 1 in the country - So Nope.

Big events ticket sales ( let's say summer bash as equivalent based on 2017 figures) - Nope

Away following - Nope



Other then that though, I can see the argument

I agree with some of this: Hull and Wiigan do add value to the comp BUT they have put themselves in a position of financial weakness. Should the game really be led by such hamstrung clubs?



Wilderspool and Knowsley Road had limited development potential too - Wire and Saints took the long-term view.



As for spending the additional on a marketing campaign, don't you think it much more likely it'll be blown on a couple of inflated player salaries - or on outstanding demands from the Inland Rev?

The financial weakness of Wigan has very little to do with its current chairman nor does the position at Hull. To suggest that the current chairman are inappropriate to make a sensible contribution to the debate because of what Maurice did at Wigan etc. is ludicrous.



If paying a player like Sonny Bill helps to secure an improved TV deal or a major sponsor I would suggest that is a better use of the money than giving it to a championship club. Unlikely I know

Not the point. Is it realistic that they're in a position to make the best decisions for the game as a whole when short term cash flow is always gnawing away at their businesses?

How do you know they have short term cashflow issues? I think that is a massive assumption. I would suggest Leeds probably have greater cashflow issues than most given the inability to even sell out a stadium holding 2/3rds of its full capacity.

Leeds make there money through the corporate side. iirc anything over 10,000 is a profit.

Corporate have to sit somewhere not sure if I were entertaining I would want my guests sitting in a temporary stand?





Revenues from corporate will be well down - as will game revenues due to lower crowds, lower programme revenues, lower beer revenues etc.

is the Carnegie temporary?

more corporate in there this year