That's a fair point and I have to concede now after jumping in that his '98 comment would suggest that was indeed his point.



I would say it's a fairly weak point. Leeds have won three out of eight Challenge Cups. That's not terrible either until you consider it's over a 32 period.



Semi apologies never the less.

I agree, Leeds have nothing to prove so therfore have no pressure on there backs.



Winning 3 GF's in a row would be one hell of an archivement! If we dont do it we will have no shame. Just to be able to get into a position to win 3 GF's in a row is something special. If you would have said to me before the 2007 GF that Leeds would win that one, then go onto win the GF again in 2008, then get to Old Trafford again in 09, i would have been pretty chuffed to say the least! Dont get me wrong ill be gutted if the boys lose on Saturday but id also look back and think 2 out of 3 aint bad!



Whereas if Saints lose thats 3 on the trot and very very highly embarrasing! If i was a Saints fan i would be $h!tting myself. To lose 3 is so bad that im chuckling to myself at the prospect!

Depending on the result, that will go in my sig on Sunday morning.

Only a semi apology?



You steamed on high horse, patronised me, when it was you who was wrong.



And why is it a weak point?



the current team has so far won 3 from 4 grand finals. That is a good record.



How is that a weak point?



and why are you rambling on about the CC?



3 out of 8 is not a good record and the fact i was talking about the current spine would surely indicate it was over a short period of time without having to mention years.

Who is us? The team or the fans...?



Sorry to be a pedant, but in one of the instances you mention, I chcukle to think about Jamie Peacock and JJB discussing the harrowing prospect of a smug stirlingshire saint on the loose come Saturday night...

The pleasures all mine, numbnuts. Let me spell it out for you as you obviously have difficulty comprehending.



04+07+08 = 3 titles from the current team.

04+05+07+08 = 4 grand finals.



so far the current team has 3 titles from 4 gf's.



UNDERSTAND? COMPRENDE?

It's more than you'd get from some on here when your initial remark (that I highlighted) was open to interpretation.



It's a weak point as my Challenge Cup example demonstrates.



Leeds have presently won three from five Grand Finals that they have appeared in and three of the last five Grand Finals. Ignoring the existence of a GF just because Leeds didn't win it diminishes the stat you're using.



Lets say Leeds don't win it for another five years will it still be relevant that they won three of the four they competed in around a decade ago?

I think someone needs to sit down with a cup of strong coffee and take some deep breaths

I'd suggest evidence of excess caffeine rather than not enough.

Define current team?



Are Richard Mathers, Mark Calderwood, Chev Walker, Marcus Bai, Andrew Dunemann, Danny Ward, Chris McKenna, Gareth Ellis, David Furner, Willie Poching and Barrie McDermott still on the playing register.

A pair of statements made only slightly ironic by the unlikelihood of either of you having to face a mother in law!