I would imagine he's at a similar level to BJB, although BJB is an international of sorts inst he, so would be higher. He'd be higher than Clarkson, but probably only on tenure. Moon would be interesting, as a high profile signing from another SL club, I would anticipate on more than Kirke, but not vastly. I would imagine he'd be at the low end of anyone over 24, but above most people younger.



His current form has been poor defensively. The line between form and history is very blurred. Looking at the stats there have been some shocking games for him at times this year. You do have to question how long you give a lower performing member of the team to re-find 'form'. McShane, Clarkson et al seem to get droped on the first bad game. I can't work out what the rational is for that, yet many other players are allowed to play themselves back into form. But poor defensive form must put Kirke in line for being dropped if his attack is still not up to much, that much I agree

Nice to see a bit of variation on your arguments, by avoiding the discussion using lighthearted comments.



Of your only point worth responding to there I would say that generally the order of props is 1) Peacock 2) Leuluai 3) Bailey 4) Kirke 5) Moore



Leuluai's lack of stamina will always lead to low minutes. Probably about 35-40 mins per game

Bailey is usually first to emerge from the bench replacing Kylie. I would say of all the non-Peacock props he gets most time

Kirke in general has been used as a replacement for Peacock, probably getting similar minutes to Kylie.

Moore - often only given short minutes, and only when someone is injured



Now things have been a bit different this year, with more focus on a 'prop' at 13, which has meant that Bailey has often started, and obviously injuries move that pecking order around.



Singleton has rarely been used as a prop, though I accept the recent use of a 13 is as a prop Aussie-style. However, when available he has usually started games rather than coming on as a replacement. I would say that he probably gets more minutes too, and so he should, he looks the part.

That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages. Had us all laughing at work.

The sad thing is though when you get near him he's a giant and built like a brick outhouse unfortunately he's missing the fire and aggression to make good use of it!

Work? Congrats

That's the wrong Damo Doc!

Yeah, I'm the intellectual Damo

You're thinking of the Damo who has Nick Clegg on speed dial.

Avoiding the discussion on Kirke. I hardly think so. It's been said, ad nauseum.



You've repeated the arguments in Kirke's defence, I've addressed them I'm not interested in some epic Juan versus TVOC debate. I intend to devote as much effort to discussing Kirke going forward as kirfke devotes to match days, the bare minimum.



So, in a nutshell, he's lazy and soft.

Fair enough, don't go bringing him into another players discussion next time.



I'm sure we will be here in about 5 days time repeating it all again., until then I bid you good day

When the next generation read about this period of glory in years to come they will take note of his 5 rings etc.

I'm not sure he will be remembered. People will remember Burrow, mcguire, sin field, peacock. I would doubt people will remember kirke as a great, even if he wins another 5 rings