Like i said above they must all be watching it as home as some form of curiousity as they certainly are not watching it in a pub.



By the way its Hatfield in Hertfordshire not South Yorkshire.



Also ever seen a school RL game down south as there are no School teams in Hertfordshire or Bedfordshire. All ths developement in the south must be in South London as it certainly is not in North London. St Albans Stags i belive it is or Luton Vipers are both based at RU teams. development hey

i dropped on a guy who was a director of a now championship club when i was a player their. we got onto talking about the game and he said he had resigned has a director at the club recentley because the game was bent,im also lead to believe he was at one stage on the rfl council and again he resigned because in his words things were done under hand with hidden agenda`s.no suprise their then because thats what we all know anyhow,what worries me is how many more of these people that keep our championship clubs going are going to pull out and walk away because of richard lewis and his hangeronners pipe dream of expansion at all costs and forget the rest,this guy is convinced that the franchise system was brought in to save the likes of expansion clubs because in time and reduction in overseas players will almost certainly mean they spend years lingering at the bottom end of super league before finally one year they finish bottom and would be beyond saving,has it stands at the minute we still have promotion and relegation the only difference is that the rfl choose who goes up and down not results on the field.

I can watch RL in my local.



Anyway, why does it matter whether they're watching at home or in the pub? Surely somebody watching it at home is more valuable to both Sky and the game as a whole. More people will see ads Sky sells, making them more valuable, making RL more profitable for Sky, encouraging Sky to keep hold of the rights.

Could you please expand on this puzzle you have posted.



Would I be right in thinking what you are saying is it is only southerners who go into pubs?

No but it's not a bad inidactor for the level of interest in the game...which we are always being told how massive and growing it is down there. Yet at one..if not the biggest and most traditional Rugby League event on the Calendar, this massive interest by Londoners just isn't there!



Well how shall we judge it? What actual measurable factor whall we use to judge if it is / has been successfull down there?....because every angle which the realists look at it isn't working! Ok we hear on tv a few persons saying how well it is taking off in the background...all the youngsters playing the game etc etc...yet there is nothing physically to support this suggestion, were there any London schools in the Schools finals before the Challenge Cup??? - NO!. Are these just pundits employed by, or saying the right things by SKY etc....possibly?



The factors that we use, are those that we can actually see.....not claims! actually physically see as facts.



Attendances at their home games - Poor, an not seemingly growing either!

Attendances at their away games - almost none existant!

Attendances at the big community finals Challenge cup or Grand Final - Rarely!

Financial viability - Clearly failing!



........So where is this most illusive of support? After 20 or 30 years and we are still not seeing it, it's not unreasonable to think that it doesn't exist and that it is just talked up hype and tripe!



For the few fans who do genuinely follow the Quins...credit to you. However, in terms of their eligibility for Superleague....all they do is tick a box for the almighty SKY, whose pocket our game now lives in!

You're right, it's a terrible indicator.



Your straw poll was of what? People wearing Quins shirts at Wembley?



You know that people don't have to wear their club's colours at events (I don't tend to)? Not withstanding the fact that not all London RL fans support Quins (I don't), or the fact that not everybody buys a replica shirt...



Add to that that you will have seen only a tiny percentage of the people at Wembley that day...





Well the number of Quins players brought through their academy – outstripping most other SL sides, would give ‘physical proof’ to this extremely valid point.





Perhaps you should start using some…





Valid point



Absolutely not the Quins issue.



Perhaps you should contact the RFL for actual facts and figures on the number of London based RL fans that attended the final… that would provide an actual number, rather than your ‘I saw three Cas shirts and one Quins shirt’ straw poll.



Certainly, but I suspect only at the same rate as other SL clubs.





It depends what you’re judging – support for Quins or support for RL in London?

In a family fortunes style survey of 100 London pubs who were asked to put the Superleague on the big screen on a Friday, or the NL1 on Thursday...the most popular answers experienced in our survey were..



1) No...there is some football/any football on, that we'd rather watch. 62%

2) No...what games that then? Is that different from Union then? 15%

3) No...we don't watch that in here. 14%

4) Of course I can mate, it's a right game 9%



These are peoples typical experiences that are expressed in previous posts.

Can you provide me/us with a link to this survey?



kthxbai

In regards to not wearing their shirts at the big community games, why not? The wearing of the shirt is for pride and support of the club that you support. Are Londoners they not proud to be Quinns supporters or supporters of their amateur club?



In the small section that I saw for 3 hours on Wembly Way before and 2 hours after the game I saw thousands proud supporters of the game in their shirts. I saw dozens school teams, junior teams, amateur teams from the Midlands, Cleveland, Cumbria, Yorkshire and Lancashire.....plus maybe a dozen from Catalan and 2 scorpions and 1 Celtic etc.



So why not for Londoners? Is this part of the illusive Londoners code of conduct....you must remain unseen, unquantifyable and in disguise at all times? Again it just doesn't add up!



In regards to the number of players coming through the Quinns academy in some ways it's a different process to that of other Superleague clubs.



As an example not even at Superleague level, areas like Oldham and surrounding villages there are dozens of junior and amateur teams from the age of about 6 years old. Each of which produce dozens of players who progress to either adult amateur, NL1 and NL2 teams and Superleague each year. Including famous names like Sculthorpe, Sinfield, Barry Mac and many more. However, because they generaly stay within reach of the area players end up playing for a whole host of teams at different levels from the east to west coasts.



I suspect at Quins that those within the academy can only progress to the Quinns first team, a few playing out of the area and the rest perhaps changing code or leaving the game. Hence in a way if they are a good but perhaps not great player they are almost guaranteed a spot in the first team line up when they come of age.



Otherwise who would you regard as being the junior and amateur feeder clubs for the Quinns? Of those you mention that have come through the academy...what was their junior and amateur clubs?

The answer is so simple , get rid of the quins , crusaders and Richard Lewis, bring back promotion and relegation and stop groundsharing with soccer clubs............... there all the games problems solved in one fell swoop

Faith restored by the greater supporters of the game....crowds growing at the grounds rather than the armchair! Job done, great post!!!