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| Quote J20="J20"Have you heard of the 'not trying to drum up RFL anger at every decision they make on said clubs board and the VT' Theory.'"
Thats true, they hold all the aces its total domination by the Fat Controller and I thought the Iron Curtain had come down years ago but it survives, in the world of RL.
Thats one of the reasons why I hate this process, too much power is in the hands of a few, upset them and you have no chance.
I would love to be able to do like Councils have to allow a Freedom of Information request on the RFL.
That would open up a pandoras box of tricks wouldn't it???
Like how much do you pay Crusaders Nigel???
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Do you have a real chance in July ? , or are the RFL using you to positively ' spin ' what will be a funeral ?'"
We all really hope not BUT as you say this may be a way of throwing us a few crumbs and keeping us at bay as really we should be in SL in July based on the FACTS which are:-
Cas, Wakey and Salford all do not have a ground that is good enough to meet the SL criteria of today, not in 2 years time.
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| Quote Fax4Life="Fax4Life"We all really hope not BUT as you say this may be a way of throwing us a few crumbs and keeping us at bay as really we should be in SL in July based on the FACTS which are:-
Cas, Wakey and Salford all do not have a ground that is good enough to meet the SL criteria of today, not in 2 years time.'"
salford ground going up well when past it.
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| Quote swifty62="swifty62"salford ground going up well when past it.'"
They should still be judged on the willows because thats were they're playing now.
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| Quote j.c="j.c"They should still be judged on the willows because thats were they're playing now.'"
No John , as much as we were unfairly treated , two wrongs don't make a right , Salford will play at Barton in the 2012 season , to ignore that fact would be childish , IMO of course
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| Just to add to the conspiracy theories, has anyone considered that Widnes's admission might be the pre-cursor for a merger between them and Crusaders? We all know Crusaders are in a precarious position and one which is unsustainable. If they are teetering, it could the reason Fax are being kept in the mix for July.
Not clutching at straws here but consider this;
(1) There is only 26 miles between the two towns
(2) Crusaders attendances are dire and Widnes have a strong fan base thus providing an immediate attendance boost for Wrexham games
(3) The RFL will save face as a presence is maintained in Wales thus supporting future development in the region
(4) Games can be split between Widnes and Wrexham with minimum inconvenience
(5) With Crusaders being a new club there wouldnt be the wholesale anger and rejection encountered the last time this was tried when SL came into existence (remember Calder  )
(6) There is a proven succesful model in Aus (St George Illawarra Dragons) and we all know thats where the RFL get most of their ideas from
There is no doubt that Widnes would be dominant partner and the franchise would also have its attractions for Steve O'Conner and the Widnes board as they look to grow and secure the Vikings brand. Personally I think it would be a success and no doubt be used as an RFL model for the future mergers.
Just a thought..................
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| Quote Fax Missionary="Fax Missionary"Just to add to the conspiracy theories, has anyone considered that Widnes's admission might be the pre-cursor for a merger between them and Crusaders? We all know Crusaders are in a precarious position and one which is unsustainable. If they are teetering, it could the reason Fax are being kept in the mix for July.
There is no doubt that Widnes would be dominant partner and the franchise would also have its attractions for Steve O'Conner and the Widnes board as they look to grow and secure the Vikings brand. Personally I think it would be a success and no doubt be used as an RFL model for the future mergers.
Just a thought..................'"
You know what thought did ?
In fact no I don't , what ' did ' thought do ? , does anybody know , I'll google it
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"You know what thought did ?
In fact no I don't , what ' did ' thought do ? , does anybody know , I'll google it'"
Yes I was right
You know what thought did 
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"No John , as much as we were unfairly treated , two wrongs don't make a right , Salford will play at Barton in the 2012 season , to ignore that fact would be childish , IMO of course'"
But your after changing the rules to suit one club.
When salford handed there application in,theres no way could they give a guarantee to be in that stadium for the start of the season.Thats what the rfl said they will judge clubs on.
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| Quote Fax Missionary="Fax Missionary"Just to add to the conspiracy theories, has anyone considered that Widnes's admission might be the pre-cursor for a merger between them and Crusaders? We all know Crusaders are in a precarious position and one which is unsustainable. If they are teetering, it could the reason Fax are being kept in the mix for July.
Not clutching at straws here but consider this;
(1) There is only 26 miles between the two towns
(2) Crusaders attendances are dire and Widnes have a strong fan base thus providing an immediate attendance boost for Wrexham games
(3) The RFL will save face as a presence is maintained in Wales thus supporting future development in the region
(4) Games can be split between Widnes and Wrexham with minimum inconvenience
(5) With Crusaders being a new club there wouldnt be the wholesale anger and rejection encountered the last time this was tried when SL came into existence (remember Calder
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(6) There is a proven succesful model in Aus (St George Illawarra Dragons) and we all know thats where the RFL get most of their ideas from
There is no doubt that Widnes would be dominant partner and the franchise would also have its attractions for Steve O'Conner and the Widnes board as they look to grow and secure the Vikings brand. Personally I think it would be a success and no doubt be used as an RFL model for the future mergers.
Just a thought..................'"
It has worked in Australia with St George Illawarra and also with Wests Tigers but it has failed before in Super League with Sheffield Giant Eagles and Gateshull Thunder Sharks. Perhaps in Australia they are more tolerant of manufactured teams
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| The difference is out here club identities are maintained. The Hudds-Sheff thing was an absorbtion of a failing club and Hudds had no intention/clue how to keep a hold of the Sheffield fans. If the RFL stipulate that Widnes must have the Welsh connection as part of their business, or lose the franchise, I could see it working. Huge business opportunity of you ask me and honestly, if it doesnt happen in July it will only be a matter of time.
By the way Starbug, I checked after the thought and there was nothing solid to worry myself about 
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| Quote Fax Missionary="Fax Missionary"The difference is out here club identities are maintained. The Hudds-Sheff thing was an absorbtion of a failing club and Hudds had no intention/clue how to keep a hold of the Sheffield fans. If the RFL stipulate that Widnes must have the Welsh connection as part of their business, or lose the franchise, I could see it working. Huge business opportunity of you ask me and honestly, if it doesnt happen in July it will only be a matter of time.
By the way Starbug, I checked after the thought and there was nothing solid to worry myself about
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Fantastic idea , except Widnes have been given a licence all of their own , they might merge you lot with the ' Taffs ' , will I get in trouble for calling them ' Taffs ' , bollox , ive done it again
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