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| Quote Standee="Standee"sorry, it's not a reason for divorce anymore, is it?
oh, hang on.'"
But it isn't because of some barmy Christian rule that people divorce if one of those in the marriage is committing adultery, its because its pretty much a common sense conclusion to a failed relationship?
There is a difference between using religious books as a guide to life and using religious books as a strict rule to life....
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"Rubbish... While historically they may have their roots in Christian values, most are just based on supposed common sense - Yes, we rightly still frown on theft and treat it as a crime, but we don't take adultery too seriously nowadays, do we?
However, many Islamic nations have their laws deeply entrenched in their religious texts - Their dire treatment of the female Muslim is ample proof.'"
Equally as many Christian nations treat homosexuality far worse than some Muslim countries treat women
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Equally as many Christian nations treat homosexuality far worse than some Muslim countries treat women'"
Agreed, but Standee was trying to claim that Western governments somehow draw up their policies around the teachings of the Bible, in the same way that some Islamic countries rule their populations by the demands of the Quran - I'd suggest that with the change in attitudes and policies with regards to gay people, and with an esteemed Western leader like Tony Blair even being recently voted as a Gay icon, that being a homosexual in a 'Christian' Europe isn't quite as bad as being a woman in a strict Islamic country?
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"Agreed, but Standee was trying to claim that Western governments somehow draw up their policies around the teachings of the Bible, in the same way that some Islamic countries rule their populations by the demands of the Quran - I'd suggest that with the change in attitudes and policies with regards to gay people, and with an esteemed Western leader like Tony Blair even being recently voted as a Gay icon, that being a homosexual in a 'Christian' Europe isn't quite as bad as being a woman in a strict Islamic country?'"
Try being a homosexual in a christian country like Uganda.
The fact that some rulers have chosen to take an extreme view of what they consider a holy book is not the sole province of followers of Islam.
Malaysia is a Muslim state but whenever I've been there most of the women have dressed in a similar manner to many western women.
A radical and extreme interpretation of a book is not the sole preserve of Muslims and I would argue has less to do with religion than a desire to dictate to others how they should live their lives
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Try being a homosexual in a christian country like Uganda.
The fact that some rulers have chosen to take an extreme view of what they consider a holy book is not the sole province of followers of Islam.
Malaysia is a Muslim state but whenever I've been there most of the women have dressed in a similar manner to many western women.
A radical and extreme interpretation of a book is not the sole preserve of Muslims and I would argue has less to do with religion than a desire to dictate to others how they should live their lives'"
Again, I agree with you, but I was referring to the fact that Standee thinks most of Europe is under a similar style of governance to Uganda, or any country using a holy book to dictate their population's lives.
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| While many religeons have issues with primarily sexual preferences and activity, only 1 ( and a tiny minority of it ) has openly declared that all who dont follow it should die
So who would that be
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"Again, I agree with you, but I was referring to the fact that Standee thinks most of Europe is under a similar style of governance to Uganda, or any country using a holy book to dictate their population's lives.'"
I take it you're a Religious person, hence, can see no wrong in how it dictates lives and laws in the West.
Shopping hours on a Sunday...
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"While many religeons have issues with primarily sexual preferences and activity, only 1 ( and a tiny minority of it ) has openly declared that all who dont follow it should die
So who would that be'"
1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?)
2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual.
Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe
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Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?)
2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual.
Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe'"
100% agreed
anyone who doubts how stupid religion is, should have a listen to this (or go see it)
saw this on Saturday evening in the West End, if you have time, listen to it (NSFW/kids)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... CqJ_9vFxRo
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Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?)
2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual.
Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe'"
100% agreed
anyone who doubts how stupid religion is, should have a listen to this (or go see it)
saw this on Saturday evening in the West End, if you have time, listen to it (NSFW/kids)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... CqJ_9vFxRo
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| Quote Standee="Standee"I take it you're a Religious person, hence, can see no wrong in how it dictates lives and laws in the West.
Shopping hours on a Sunday...'"
No, I'm not a religious person, but I can easily live without doing a bit of extra grocery shopping on a Sunday..... However, I'm not sure living without my head for the 'crime' of not choosing to follow a certain faith would be as simple?
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"No, I'm not a religious person, but I can easily live without doing a bit of extra grocery shopping on a Sunday..... However, I'm not sure living without my head for the 'crime' of not choosing to follow a certain faith would be as simple?'"
your total lack of understanding of the situation is noted.
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| Quote Dita's Slot Meter="Dita's Slot Meter"Agreed, but Standee was trying to claim that Western governments somehow draw up their policies around the teachings of the Bible, in the same way that some Islamic countries rule their populations by the demands of the Quran - I'd suggest that with the change in attitudes and policies with regards to gay people, and with an esteemed Western leader like Tony Blair even being recently voted as a Gay icon, that being a homosexual in a 'Christian' Europe isn't quite as bad as being a woman in a strict Islamic country?'"
Its good that you mention Tony Blair, converted Catholic, in this paragraph - now what was it that he said again about making his mind up whether or not to invade Iraq (and all that followed), something about asking his God what he should do, something which he also shared with his buddy George Jnr, presumably they both had the same hotline to their God and their God, he say "Yes".
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